Some advice for a cheesemaker in Japan please!
Posted: 18 June 2009 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Hi all, long time reader, first time poster.

I like cheese! Unfortunately it’s exorbitantly expensive here in Japan. Even the milk is expensive at around $5 a gallon for the low fat stuff, almost double that for the 3.6% stuff! Those are store prices though..

Anyway, until now I have just been making paneer because I don’t have access to any rennet here.

I need to make an order for some cheese making supplies and I need to make the supplies last a long time, because shipping stuff from the US or Canada is pretty expensive even for small items.

I am interested in making pasta fillata/mozarella, maybe a cheddar, cream cheeses, and maybe some blue cheeses if it’s not toooo difficult.

What enzymes/chemicals/etc do you all recommend I purchase in order to be able to make the above cheeses? I can source tools here in Japan, just need the chemicals from overseas.

I do not have access to buttermilk in Japan, it does not seem to exist in any stores here. Is there a way I can make it? Is there a chemical/enzyme/whatever I can use to start it and then just keep regenerating it by myself sort of like yogurt?

Note - I don’t have access to a dairy/raw milk, I live in the heart of Tokyo and I’m surrounded by nothing but concrete buildings, power lines and train tracks.


Thanks!

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Posted: 18 June 2009 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Welcome to the forum!

I suggest you to start reading this downloadable book for free. You’ll learn a lot to begin.
For ingredients you may try this site, Steve Shapson is a very nice guy, he ships worldwide for really reasonable prices (you’ll see).
I have no experience with store bought milk (only raw, lucky me smile ), I now there are a lot of cheese-makers contributing to this forum, using store bought milk.
One thing I am sure about it, you can not make cheese from HOMOGENIZED milk.

There are many cheese making sites with lots of information - start Googleing.

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Posted: 19 June 2009 02:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I’ll add my welcome to Alex’s.  I remember when I started making cheese - not all that long ago - and it was a real learning process.  I’ll agree that you should read up in as many sources as you can locate.  It was recommended to me to start with soft cheese and then graduate to hard cheese, and that seems to be good advice.  I’ll have to correct one of Alex’s comments, however.  You CAN make cheese from homogenized milk - that’s what all the store bought milk is - you’ll just be well advised to add some calcium chloride (CaCl) to it to recondition the calcium in the milk.  Its the UHT milk - that which is treated with an Ultra High Temperature pasteurization process to increase shelf life - that you cannot make cheese with.  When I was living in Micronesia it was sold in waxed cardboard cartons and not even refrigerated.  It would last up to a year on the shelf unless opened.

Oh, and ask lots of questions.  Of course the only way to really learn is to take the plunge and learn from your (and our) failures and successes.

Wishing you good success, and few failures.

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Posted: 19 June 2009 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Welcome paradoxbox !!
First i suggest sticking to 2% at the most then add cream 10% or 18%. Buy freeze dried cultures if u can and keep them in the freezer. The bloomed cheeses would be the easiest to make, white or blue since u dont have to worry about acid and u probably dont have a PH meter.

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Posted: 20 June 2009 12:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Alex - 19 June 2009 01:51 AM

One thing I am sure about it, you can not make cheese from HOMOGENIZED milk.

Homogenized milk most certainly can be used to make cheese. In some cases the addition of calcium chloride will compensate if needed. I’ve done some comparisons of my own with the storebought milk available to me both with and without adding calcium chloride and have found that I can get a clean break almost as quickly without adding calcium. So don’t be conerned about using homogenized milk and order some calcium chloride. Using pasteurized milk is ok too. What you want to avoid completely is ULTRA-pasteurized milk.

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Posted: 20 June 2009 12:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Thanks for all the info guys.

Thankfully I don’t think UHT milk is even sold in Japan. The quality and freshness of the milk here is pretty high, but it’s expensive. All milk in Japan comes from one place up at the north of the country and since almost every area of Japan is accessible by truck or rail within about 15 hours max from the dairy, dairy products tend to be pretty fresh.

Does anyone have any specific recommendations to make as far as what kind of quantities and which particular chemicals I should be buying? I.e. people mention calcium chloride a lot, how much should I buy of that and how long will a package last me if I am making mozzarella’s with 2 or 4L (Approx 1/2 gallon - 1 gallon) of milk each time? Is it something that’s really necessary or can I get away without doing it?

How about bacterial starter cultures - are mesophilic and thermophilic cultures really needed or can I get away without them? I’ve read on Fankhausers (SP?) cheese page that he just uses buttermilk for thermophilic starting and yogurt for mesophilic. Does this work or is it going against the grain?

What kind of rennet should I use? Keeping in mind that the shipment from the USA/Canada will probably not be refrigerated, and since it’s expensive to ship I’d like it to last a long time without losing its potency completely..!

Thanks for any more insight you can offer!

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Posted: 20 June 2009 01:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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paradoxbox - 20 June 2009 05:31 PM

Thankfully I don’t think UHT milk is even sold in Japan. The quality and freshness of the milk here is pretty high, but it’s expensive. All milk in Japan comes from one place up at the north of the country and since almost every area of Japan is accessible by truck or rail within about 15 hours max from the dairy, dairy products tend to be pretty fresh.

I have some similar milk challenges being on Maui in Hawaii. We don’t have much source for local milk, and storebought is expensive (up to $8US/gallon.) Costco has lower prices but is ultra-pasteurized for extra long shelf life. I’ve been using MeadowGold brand 1 gallon jugs on sale at our local Safeway store on sale for $4.39 each.

paradoxbox - 20 June 2009 05:31 PM

Does anyone have any specific recommendations to make as far as what kind of quantities and which particular chemicals I should be buying? I.e. people mention calcium chloride a lot, how much should I buy of that and how long will a package last me if I am making mozzarella’s with 2 or 4L (Approx 1/2 gallon - 1 gallon) of milk each time? Is it something that’s really necessary or can I get away without doing it?

I’m fairly new at this myself, but would recommend you buy your enzyme and chemical ingredients in quantity and form for what you expect to use up in a year. All of the ingredients you will need can be stored either refrigerated or frozen for at least a year. In the case of calcium chloride I bought a 2oz. bottle and use at most 12 drops per gallon of milk. Even making cheese every weekend I don’t anticipate running out in a year. The bottle stays stored in a ziplock bag in my regular fridge along with my annatto, which is also a 2oz. bottle and I use even less of the annatto per gallon of milk. If you are making cheese with only a half gallon of milk at a time, your ingredient supply will likely last a long time. (I can’t imagine making cheese that small, I make mostly hard cheeses and 1/2 gallon of milk would make me only about 6oz. of cheddar!) The only way for sure to find out if you can get away without using calcium chloride is to try it with your milk. If your curd can get a clean break without it then you don’t need it. smile

paradoxbox - 20 June 2009 05:31 PM

How about bacterial starter cultures - are mesophilic and thermophilic cultures really needed or can I get away without them? I’ve read on Fankhausers (SP?) cheese page that he just uses buttermilk for thermophilic starting and yogurt for mesophilic. Does this work or is it going against the grain?

I have not made my own cultures from buttermilk or yogurt because 1) it’s more convenient to use prepackaged direct-set cultures, 2) I believe my results will be more consistent using the same source and amount of culture each time, 3) the cultures are not expensive, especially since I can buy industrial concentrations and measure them with my cheap scale accurate to .01g, 4) I know exactly what culture strains I am using without the unknowns of possible contaminations that might result from making my own.

paradoxbox - 20 June 2009 05:31 PM

What kind of rennet should I use? Keeping in mind that the shipment from the USA/Canada will probably not be refrigerated, and since it’s expensive to ship I’d like it to last a long time without losing its potency completely..!

My understanding is that the shipping temperature is really only an issue when shipping cultures, since they are live bacteria. I don’t think it’s a practical problem for rennet enzymes or chemicals like calcium chloride, but I’m not sure about the liquid form. I haven’t used liquid rennet though, I’m using the common vegetable rennet tablets because I find them to be cheap, easy to measure and prepare, and will store in the freezer for years. I was concerned about shipping temperature for cultures, since they have to be shipped to me from the mainland, but have had no problems so far. Some suppliers will only ship on certain days and methods that make it too expensive for me to buy from them, but I’ve had good results so far buying from others who aren’t as particular about shipping methods.

My biggest expense by far has been providing an environment for me to age my hard cheeses. If you plan to make only fresh cheeses then you won’t have this issue. Our “room temperature” is mid-70F in the winter and mid-80F in the summer, and we have no cool basements or cellars here. Our food refrigerator is too cold to age cheese so I bought a used small (5 cubic foot) refrigerator and added an external digital thermostat so I could have a good place to age my cheeses at 55F. This was a considerable expense for us because of our electricity costs—it adds a few hundred dollars a year to our electricity bill. (40+ cents per kilowatt-hour isn’t fun, folks!)

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Posted: 20 June 2009 03:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I don’t think the temp in transit will be a factor for bacterial cultures either.  First of all, if you are shipping first class, it will likely be air freighted - and the temps at altitude are quite cold.  Secondly, your culture will be in spore form, and not the live bacteria itself; so its going to be pretty hardy.

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paradoxbox - 20 June 2009 05:31 PM

Thanks for all the info guys.

Thankfully I don’t think UHT milk is even sold in Japan. The quality and freshness of the milk here is pretty high, but it’s expensive. All milk in Japan comes from one place up at the north of the country and since almost every area of Japan is accessible by truck or rail within about 15 hours max from the dairy, dairy products tend to be pretty fresh.

Does anyone have any specific recommendations to make as far as what kind of quantities and which particular chemicals I should be buying? I.e. people mention calcium chloride a lot, how much should I buy of that and how long will a package last me if I am making mozzarella’s with 2 or 4L (Approx 1/2 gallon - 1 gallon) of milk each time? Is it something that’s really necessary or can I get away without doing it?

How about bacterial starter cultures - are mesophilic and thermophilic cultures really needed or can I get away without them? I’ve read on Fankhausers (SP?) cheese page that he just uses buttermilk for thermophilic starting and yogurt for mesophilic. Does this work or is it going against the grain?

What kind of rennet should I use? Keeping in mind that the shipment from the USA/Canada will probably not be refrigerated, and since it’s expensive to ship I’d like it to last a long time without losing its potency completely..!

Thanks for any more insight you can offer!

I am not sure, but I think you didn’t pay attention to the links in my previous post (a book and an ingredients supplier).
Mesophilic and thermophilic cultures are really needed, and please check again at Frankhausers, you or him are mistaken, yogourt=thermo and buttermilk=meso, that’s important. Since I am making cheeses, I use only storebought yogourt and buttermilk, knowing the bacteria they have per the manufacturer’s specifications.
About CaCl, I use flakes/granules, it lasts years in kitchen cabinet like citric acid.

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Posted: 21 June 2009 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Mozzarella

http://www.rickandlynne.com/rick/go/forums/viewthread/818/

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Posted: 30 June 2009 08:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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paradoxbox -

I’m in Korea, so I know how you feel.  I lucked out and found a place to live near some dairies, so I can get milk at about 1/3rd the store prices. 

Here are a couple of articles you might be interested in:


http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fg20090515f1.html
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fg20090515f2.html

So yes, there are people making cheese in Japan.

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Posted: 01 July 2009 03:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Nice links huffdaddy!!

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