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Posted: 22 December 2008 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I realized while eating a Montasio, that I really, really like the taste of the thermophilic cheeses.  I thought then that I’d like to do a cheddar with thermophilic starter to see what would happen.  Well, I finally got around to it today.  I have in the press a 4 lb Farmhouse Cheddar, made with thermo starter.  Other than the change of starter the only difference is that I cooked it to 102 degrees instead of 100, and I shortened the ripening time by 15 min.  I plan on finishing it up like a cheddar - I’ll dry it in open air, then wax it and let it age that way.  In keeping with the “farmhouse” recipe, I’ll not let it age too long.  Besides, I’m anxious to see what comes of it.  I’ll let you all know when the baby is born.

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Posted: 22 December 2008 10:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Good luck !!!!

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Posted: 23 December 2008 08:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I, too, like the thermo-made cheeses.  Montasio is one of my favorites.  Mine have been a little hard and crumbly.  Do you have the same experience, or if not, what do you suppose is causing mine to be?

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Posted: 23 December 2008 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I’ve only done two Montasio’s.  The first was fantastic - maybe the best cheese I’ve ever eaten.  It was somewhat hard, but not overly so, and not at all dry.  It had a solid texture with almost no air holes.  I had aged it three months.  The second one is in the cave now, and is about 6 weeks along.  I’ll not let it stay a full three months.  As to what your difficulty was, I cannot say, since I don’t know how you processed it.  If it was a 2 lb. wheel, that may have had something to do with it.  I do 4 lb. wheels now.  I think the smaller ones tend to dry more since there is more surface area to weight ratio.

The thermophilic cheddar was waxed tonight.  The surface was dry so I went ahead and did it.  The wheel is softer than a farmhouse cheddar.  While holding it to wax it, my fingers started to sink into the surface.  I’ll be turning it twice a day, as there is likely a good deal more moisture in it than the cheddars, and I don’t want it to settle to the bottom.

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Posted: 24 December 2008 04:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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thermo is same as meso
Both does not influence any new flavor, the main difference is that each culture works on different temperature, so the result cheese is totally different (as u know temp does affect the curd structure)
so the result cheese is different

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Posted: 24 December 2008 05:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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You may be right, Nabil.  The Montasio ripens at 2 degrees less than the cheddar, and the curd is cooked 2 degrees warmer.  Also, the Montasio is a washed curd cheese.  But, I still think the culture adds a distinctive flavor.  I’ve made five or six different cheddar varieties and most of the difference is in texture and moisture.  The taste is very similar.  The thermophilic cheeses I’ve done, Montasio and Swiss, have a very distinctively different flavor.  Anyway, I should know in a few weeks.  In the mean time, I’ll be enjoying a Montasio and making some more - its a great cheese.

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Posted: 24 December 2008 10:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Cultures do add allot to the cheese flavor especially if its made for a particular type of cheese. Cultures are usually a combo of strains for max flavor and benefit.
For instance, at danlac they tell u whats in the starter;

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Montasio

Montasio has a dry, elastic natural rind that is yellow to reddish-brown in colour. Its body is white to pale yellow and has a few small “openings” troughout. Montasio may be mild, nutty or piquant, depending on its age. It makes a succulent snack especially when accompanied by fruit. Montasio may be made solely with cow’s milk, or a combination of cows and goat’s milk. Use: Choozit TM 81 LYO 50 DCU per 500 liter milk.
Ingredient Suggestion:
CHOOZIT™ TM 81 LYO 50 DCU
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CHOOZIT™ TM 81 LYO 50 DCU

Freeze-dried concentrated lactic starter for the direct vat inoculation of milk and milk bases.
Halal Certified No GMO Kosher Certified

Usage Levels:

Product Dose Mozzarella 2.5 - 5 DCU / 100 l of vat milk Pizza cheese 2.5 - 5 DCU / 100 l of vat milk String cheese 2.5 - 5 DCU / 100 l of vat milk The quantities of inoculation indicated should be considered as guidelines. Supplement cultures may be required depending on technology, fat content and product properties desired. We do not accept any liability in case of undue application.

Directions for Use:

Store at temperature < 4 °C in dry atmosphere. When stored at negative temperature, keep the sachet at room temperature for 30 to 60 minutes before opening. If not, the performance of the culture is affected. Prolonged exposure at room temperature will reduce performances. Check before use that the culture is in powder form. Add directly to the manufacturing milk as soon as the agitation blades of the vat are covered with milk. Avoid foam and air introduction in the milk.
Important recommendations:
If the product has formed a solid mass, it should be discarded. To keep bacteriophage contamination under control, ensure plant and equipments are cleaned and disinfected with appropriate products at regular intervals to limit bacteriophage concentration level. Avoid any system that brings back part of end products to the beginning of the processing line in order to limit phage propagation.

Composition:

Streptococcus salivarius
subsp. thermophilus and Lactobacillus delbrueckii
subsp. bulgaricus.

Properties:

CHOOZIT™ TM 81 LYO 50 DCU is an highly concentrated blend of single strain acidifying thermophilic lactic cultures. Rapid acidification for cheese with high dry matter (>50 %). A phage alternative is available on request.
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Posted: 25 January 2009 05:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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OK, the baby came out of the cave last night.  He was a very different cheese.  First, he was a bit on the soft side.  I attribute that to his being made prior to our protracted discussion of pressing weights, so he was not pressed as adequately as he should have been.  Second, he was as white as fresh milk.  I didn’t add any color to him, but all my other thermophilic cheeses have an off white color to them, which this one definitely did not.  The texture was pretty good, not real dry as a Farmhouse cheddar would be.  But the taste is what surprised me most.  It was quite bland, very little taste of any kind; definitely the mildest cheese I’ve ever tried.

Some thoughts:  First it needed more pressing.  Second, perhaps thermophilic cheeses need to be unwaxed for more interchange with the air.  Third, it may just require some additional aging to bring out the full flavor.

I have put him back in the cave, unwaxed, to try to gain a bit more maturity.  Maybe the baby needs to be a teenager before he’s ready to stand on his own.

Any additional thoughts???

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Posted: 25 January 2009 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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My guess it needs more age. No pics yet wink

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Posted: 25 January 2009 12:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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sorry to jump in here, being new and all, but i got a question about the pressing. you said you didn’t press it hard enough, which i know can cause it to not be a tight curd. however can you over press it? if so what would happen to it? and can you wait to long to press it? like if you made to much and didn’t have enough molds… could you save it and press it later?

sorry again to jump in on the thread but ya’ll was talking about pressing so i figure ya’ll would know alot smile
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Posted: 25 January 2009 01:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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No need to apologize - jump in any time.  Yes, I suppose you could over press.  I would think it would result in a very dry cheese.  As far as waiting, you won’t want to wait too long, and you would want to maintain the curd temp until your could press it.  Not having over pressed one myself, I can’t speak authoritatively.

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Posted: 08 February 2009 04:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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OK Neil, here’s the pic.  Its really too bright, and I don’t think you can see the texture very well.  The texture is really quite open - not at all a solid cheese as I wanted.  I have to work on close ups.  Anyway, the additional aging suggestion was a good one - it now has a very nice flavor - very Italian, similar to the Montasio.  I’m really quite pleased with it.  I’m going to be doing another one soon, with the proper pressing weights.  It will be waxed, and I’ll age it for at least 3 months.  I’m thinking that with even longer aging, it would likely make a terrific grating cheese.

BTW Neil, the suggestion of using Gimp was also right on target.  I’ve been working with Nikon tech support and their software just cannot seem to accomplish what I needed to resize my images.  But Gimp does the trick very easily.  Thanks.

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Posted: 08 February 2009 05:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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OK, I worked on the lighting and got a better pic.  This one shows the texture much better.  Obviously it needs more pressing.

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Posted: 08 February 2009 06:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Rich, it does have an open texture but it still looks good.
I’ve still not solved all of the openess with my pressed cheese but it is a LOT better than it used to be.  The heavier weights definately help.
Thanks for the update and the pics.

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Posted: 08 February 2009 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Rich it looks good . What is your camera model, maybe I can read up and find some pointers.

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Posted: 08 February 2009 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Green Cheese Maker - 08 February 2009 11:39 AM

OK, I worked on the lighting and got a better pic.  This one shows the texture much better.  Obviously it needs more pressing.

Depends on what you’re trying for. That looks just like a good Liecester or Cheshire. Both of these are an open texture, slightly crumbly with a relatively mild acidic flavour.

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